Bending Reality with Victoria Song

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Who is Victoria Song?

Allison:  Welcome back to the Deliberate Leaders podcast. I am your host Allison Dunn, executive coach and founder of the deliberate leaders podcast where we strive to help leaders build strong, thriving businesses. Each episode we feature inspiring interviews to help you on your leadership journey.

I’m very excited to introduce our guest today we have with us Victoria Song. She began her career as a venture capitalist investing in the fastest growing technology startups, where she got to see firsthand what the most successful entrepreneurs did differently to win. She was featured in the Forbes under 30 list for her investment success. After studying economics at Yale College and leadership at Harvard Business Review, she received her most valuable learnings from over 24 of the world’s best coaches, therapists and alternative healers, who teach lessons not available in even the most exclusive universities.

She is the author of Bending Reality-How to Make the Impossible Probable. In her book, Victoria reveals how to harness the power of your own energy. In order to bend reality in, I’m going to add a deliberate direction of your choosing. Victoria, thank you so much for joining us here today.

Victoria:  Pleasure to be here. Allison. Thanks for having me.

#1 Leadership Tip

Allison:  Absolutely. I like to kick these off with a quick deliberate conversation, what would be your number one leadership tip for our listeners?

Victoria:  My number one leadership tip is…

To cultivate your emotional intelligence because I believe that our ability to master walking with our fears, our stress and anxiety, unlock our ability to bend reality in the direction that we want.

Allison:  OK, super curious. I think we’re going to dive into that, because I think it’s the premise of your book. Let’s get started on that. Bending reality in time. Tell me a little bit more about that. Like, exactly how does one do that?

Bending Reality

Victoria:  Yes. I called bending reality because I believe that we are always co creating our reality. It’s just if we do it unconsciously, we often bend it in a direction that we don’t want in an unfavorable way because it’s often rooted in what I was saying, Fear. What if this happens? What if that happens? And before it, our perceptions and our fears become self-fulfilling. Bending reality gives you the codes and a step by step guide to how to consciously bend reality in the direction that you want.

What does that look like? My clients have been able to collapse time, sell their companies for $4 billion, create a more effective code COVID vaccine during the pandemic, download patent ideas in 24 hours, do things that seem illogical to the mind. That’s what it looks like to bend reality.

Allison:  OK. I am hoping that by the end of this interview, you can give us a few techniques on exactly how to bend that reality.

Victoria:  Absolutely.

Allison:  I love the fact that we have these predetermined ideas of how long certain things should take and just to like, get rid of that and actually make something happen.

Victoria:  Exactly.

Learnings from World Experts

Allison:  I know that in your intro, I kind of teed up the fact that you had incredible valuable earnings from over 24 world experts. How did you get exposure to that and what did that journey look like?

Victoria:  Yes, so I got my first coach in 2013 and it was a life coach specifically and since then I’ve hired career coaches, business coaches, sex coaches, health coaches, really, you name it, I’m now working with my 25th coach and still counting. I think, the way I got started is how I think a lot of clients find my work, which is they believe they’re looking for something very specific, very tactical, very strategic. It’s usually like I want to improve my leadership, or I want to improve my communication skills, or my gravitas or my presence and that’s what I was looking for when I asked around looking for a coach. I didn’t know what a life coach was when I found one.

In my first conversation, I asked if this was going to improve my speaking presentation skills, and of course, she said yes, we’re going to build your confidence which will ripple out into better speaking skills and so I was bought in and started it and before I knew it, I realized how much of my life I had been living on autopilot. Really, just living from subconscious patterning things that I learned from my childhood, from my family upbringing, from culture from, the norms what everyone thinks is the status quo of belief systems.

Then quickly, I got so passionate and excited about uncovering and rewiring so many of these beliefs and I’m now, rewired patterns and coding across all those topics I mentioned prior so whether that’s health or leadership or love, relationships, leadership, business money, every topic under the sun, I’ve gotten to look under the hood at my coding around that.

Yes, that’s how I got started with it, I became a power user of coaches and I really think my life can be, characterized by me before coaching and me, post coaching. It’s like a completely different version of me.

Favorite Breakthrough

Allison:  If you were to pick today what your favorite breakthrough has been for you. That’s been the most transformational. What coding and what breakthrough?

Victoria:  Yes, that’s a great question.

Allison: Want to share?  

Victoria:  Yes, I mean, it’s so tough to pick one but I would say that perhaps the one that, ripples out into every other one is just ultimately, like, my sense of worthiness and deserving ness of my dreams of, being doing having what I want.

I think it’s so interesting how much our self-worth gets tangled up into different narratives and everyone has a different story around why, what we’ve done or couldn’t do, impacts our worthiness and I had my version and history of that and I’d say that, yes, I think that if we can heal that coding, it does, spill into our potential and business or potential, the amount of money we can make, how we take care of ourselves, the kind of love we can attract.

Just really everything across the board, how we show up and the people in the communities that matter to us.

Allison:  Yes, thank you for sharing that worthiness. I love that. In your book, you talk about how people can reach peak performance without burnout. Give us some tips on that.

Victoria:  Yes.

Allison:  Burn out is the prevalent issue today.

Peak Performance Without Burnout

Victoria:  Yes, absolutely. One of the things that I talked about in the book, Bending Reality is this framework called contraction versus expansion and I believe that a lot of us and we can talk about what contraction is, if you just tuned into this week, Allison and thought of like an event that you didn’t enjoy something that was stressful. Maybe you wish it went another way. Can you think of an event?

Allison:  Of this week? It’s only Tuesday.

Victoria:  Yes or the past 7 days?

Allison:  Sure. I’ve had a very uneventful week. That’s sad to admit.  Yes, OK, I can tune in too.

Victoria:  Ok, you don’t have to give us the details but when you feel into it, what do you notice happens in your body?

Allison:  Well, it makes me warm, it makes me feel smaller than I normally am and I would say it also gives me a sense of possible like, doubting like direction of where I headed.

State of Contraction

Victoria:  Yes, great. This state that you just described is what I call contraction and it’s a state where we physically feel tightness in our, maybe our chest or breathing changes, we feel smaller, as you mentioned, and it’s a state that I find a lot of us without realizing operate from and when we are particularly thinking about the future, something we haven’t done before, maybe we’re up leveling to another level of success, we haven’t. There’s a lot of uncertainty and a lot of unknown and in that state, we often have a lot of that what if, impending doom generator of like, what if it doesn’t go well? What if, I make it and people don’t like me anymore? What if, just everything that can go wrong? What might people say? I find that a lot of entrepreneurs and just high achievers in general are often driven by a fear of failure, a fear of maybe like being humiliated, doing something embarrassing, what might people think about them.

As a result, there’s often this desire to prove something, to prove they’re smart enough, good enough, have what it takes and a lot of business owners and entrepreneurs start businesses from this place and it’s probably one of the most common fuels that I see. I think it’s a very toxic fuel. You probably are aware of as an executive coach that it ends up not only pushing and burning out the entrepreneurs in your clients, but it also is toxic for everyone around them, whether that’s their families, or their employees or the cultures when they’re rude in that lack and that scarcity of like time running out competition, no matter what I do, there’s always another fire to put out.

That’s the vibe of contraction and I believe that the way to reach your peak performance without burning out is to learn to plug into a more sustainable re-energizing fuel, which is what I call of expansion.

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Just asking the same question now for the past 7 days. What’s an event that you felt really grateful for, something that felt really good when it happened?

Allison:  Many. I’ve got that honed in.

Tuning into Gratitude

Victoria:  Good. Yes, tuning into one of them. Once you do, what do you notice in your body when you remember this event?

Allison:  I feel like my lungs are able to fully breathe in. I feel like almost lighter and I’d say I can see beyond, I can see present but I also can see beyond and it is definitely not trying to like figure out what I did in the past.

State of Expansion

Victoria:  I love that. Yes, it’s like you’re in this more receptive, open place for inspiration, creativity, possibilities. Yes. I love that you noticed that because that’s exactly what you get access to you from the state that I call expansion. The book really goes through how do you begin to release contraction so that you can make expansion your default state. How do you learn to start living and operating from this more expansive place, and sometimes, easy tip is just thinking about what you’re grateful for, as we mentioned, this event, this past week, other ways of doing it is plugging into your sense of purpose and mission, so maybe you have a sense of the impact, you’re here to make your why that drives all your business activities. Also connecting to your values, right? The things that are uniquely you. That’s another way to be more expansive, doing things that feel like play, that feel like fun for us offering our zone of genius. These are all the things that we really value as coaches helping our clients operate from because I believe it helps us plug into these more expansive fuels, that when we do so re-energize us and are really healthy, not just for our well-being but for everyone around us.

Allison:  Yes. Is expansive fuels a terminology that has much research on? Because I love the idea of it, but I don’t think it’s a term I’ve ever used or heard.

Victoria:  Yes, that’s a great question. I think some people do research on it as like peak performance or in the zone with athletics, or even in the spiritual realm, there’s a some sort of flow state that you access in meditation. I think that people call it different things and this framework of contraction or expansion just felt really intuitive and really somatically something that you can, know in yourself, and that’s one of the things I help my clients with is how do we get out of just the mental concepts of things, and create more of that somatic experience so that we can, again, like feel more of the energetic patterns in our bodies and make sure that we can rewire things on a much deeper level than just mentally understanding something but starting to really live it in our bodies.

How Great Leaders Navigate Change

Allison:  Yes, thank you. You do some research regarding what some of the greatest leaders today do to navigate change and facing the unknown. Share your tips and some strategies around that.

Victoria:  Absolutely. One of the things that I’ve noticed is that if our nervous systems are particularly tight, which is what I was mentioning, this contracted state, this can happen from, not knowing how to feel and process our emotions fully, or trying to numb ourselves to certain feelings, all of these things, like not knowing how to release stress and anxiety from our system, and of winding up our nervous system even more.

What I found is that the more wound up our nervous system is, the harder it is for us to sit in any uncertainty.

Sitting in the unknown, triggers our fight or flight response, anything that we can’t control and predict really feels unsafe from this place and so I found that the leaders who know how to sit in the unknown, navigate change are the ones who can keep their nervous systems regulated and calm and peaceful, relaxed, expansive, in the face of the unknown.

One of the ways to do that is to really focus on making your dreams bigger than your fears.

I found that, a lot of people talk about, don’t let your fears get in the way but at the end of the day, I found that there it’s almost impossible to not have fears, to not have the physical experience of fear in your system and so it’s important, I feel for readers and people tuning in today is, not necessarily to wait until the fear goes away because I think at every level of unknown, every level of success, there’s new fears that come up. What’s important is to know first like, OK, is this fear rational? Is this something that might actually happen? And then if you do feel like it’s a rational fear, you can do something about it. Perhaps, you might think, Oh, that’s a great thought I should navigate around that, create a plan B around that, or what’s even more important is a question of OK, well, what I still be doing this, if that could happen? Am I still yes to this mission or project even if that happened? Could I handle it if the worst case happened?

I think this is a question that if we just ask ourselves, then we feel again, that we’re more at choice and at peace with the possible fear that might be impending and ultimately, that’s what I think allows us to navigate the unknown is the knowing that we’re safe no matter what we’re OK, no matter what, because sometimes we confuse and tangle discomfort with unsafety. Anything that feels uncomfortable, we immediately think, oh, no, I’m not safe but there’s actually quite a gap between, discomfort, uncomfortable feelings, avoiding conflict, speaking your truth, having hard conversations, like that’s uncomfortable, but you’re not unsafe, but our physical bodies don’t necessarily process it as, OK, I’m OK. Everything’s going to be OK.

One of the tips that I have for any leader who wants to navigate change is to check in, ask yourself, are these fears rational? And then if the fear feels like it might actually happen to ask yourself, am I still a yes, even if it happens.

Allison:  Yes. Great. Two questions to ask for sure. Navigating change, I think we’ve got some great techniques around that. There’s a lot of talk about whether we can create our own luck and do you know a recipe for that?

Victoria:  Yes. We’ve touched on it a bit, which is that I truly believe that those of us who, look over at someone and say, wow, how did they do that? They’re not smarter than I am. They’re not more competent, but they just went after their dreams and somehow got lucky and I think, again, this expansive state is where we can bend reality from and again, the things that get us into the expansive state, our passion, optimism, our vision, our belief that we can do it our big reason, mission, purpose, and why and what I found are the people who seem to be able to go after what they want, from that place of expansion, or have a high chance of hitting it, it’s almost like they’re changing the odds, by coming from an expansive place, then from coming from an contractive place because if you can imagine someone who’s from a contraction, the thoughts and feelings they have are going to sound like I don’t know if I can do it. I’m doubting myself, I don’t have what it takes. What if I fail? What will people think? The feelings they have might be like, shame, guilt, regret, should judgment like, God, I should have known better, I should have worked harder, I need to push myself harder. Like all of that, really, I believe not only minimizes the level of success you can obtain, but it often gets in your way and ends up kind of like leaking your life-force energy, and all of that spinning and doubting. I find that the people who are able to stay plugged in again to their vision, their values, their why, their passion, their purpose, have ability to bend their odds.

Zone of Genius

Allison:  Sure. You mentioned earlier in our conversation about how people can work in their zone of genius and I find sometimes that people fight that a little bit of like, they do work that’s outside of that. What are your tips on how someone can find their own unique zone of genius and then how do you actually like, own it and live in it every day?

Victoria:  Yes, it’s interesting that you say, that people struggle with it because I do believe people are taught and trained to expect struggle, just from a very young age of their schooling system. It needs to be hard and almost kind of boring and the harder it is, the more justified we feel to make money doing it. We undervalue the things that come naturally to us and if something comes really too easily to us, we feel bad charging anyone for it. I love that observation.

One of the things that I encourage my clients to do is to identify the things that feel like fun for them sort of how like athletes love the game, it’s so much fun for them, or engineers enjoy problem solving. There’s like a play element to it.

It’s identifying the things that feel like play for you and then it’s also looking at the activities that feel like a 10 for you. We talk about feeling expansive, what lights you up, and what feels, yes, like on a scale of 1 to 10 so much fun for you and then ultimately give you can move in love what you do.

I’m sure you’ve a love for your work as an executive coach, I believe that’s one of the most renewable, sustainable fuels is the love that you have for the work that you do. I think that’s the intersection to the, in your zone of genius.

One thing that I would say is, you can make it 2 by 2 where you just have the columns, the things that I love things that I don’t love and then things that I am good at and then things that I’m not good at is your rows, and then just categorizing every activity that you do day to day with your job into one of those boxes and ideally, you’re in the quadrant of things that I love and things that I’m really good at.

Staying in the Zone of Genius

There’s two tips to, staying in your zone of genius.

Have the resources and team is just to outsource anything that’s outside of your zone of genius, because I do believe we dilute our talent and if we are doing something that feels dull and boring and life-force draining to us, then we’re not going to be coming from our best to our zone of genius, the things that we are actually good at.

We’re kind of wasting our talents there and then if you can’t have the resources, do that one kind of reframe that I find very helpful is to connect your activities back again to like your purpose statement, your mission statement, your sense of values. If one of your values is I want to make an impact in the world, then you can say, OK, how does pay my bills help me make an impact? Well, it supports my business and my business, allows me to give my guests to the planet, and that’s high impact. Just remembering reframing is like, OK, what’s the why? How does this support my mission in the world? Can help you get that energy and feel expanded by the activity versus again, like feeling, why do I have to do this? This is so annoying. That’s another little reframe you can do and you can outsource it.

Allison:  I think outsourcing is a really outstanding example of like, what it’s getting us outside of our zone of genius. If someone has a lot of areas that they don’t feel like they’re spending a lot of their time in, but is preventing them from being in their zone of genius. What is your suggestion, if they can’t outsource?

Reframing

Victoria:  Yes, as I was mentioned it, it is reframing it as understanding OK, like, why does this matter? I believe that, yes, like the activities that I do day to day, once I remember what this makes possible, how does paying my bills enable me to serve my gifts? It does make me feel more excited. It’s almost like if I can’t tie it back to my value system, I’m better off not doing it at all.

Allison:  OK. I think that kind of like deciding whether you’re going to do it at all. 

Victoria:  Yes.

Create Your Own Playbook

Allison: You talk about creating one’s own playbook to collapse time and achieve unreasonable success. Tell me more.

Victoria:  Yes, I notice in the entrepreneurship realm, and maybe this is true everywhere. There’s a tendency to look at other people’s playbooks and like other successful companies, like, oh, how does Google do it? I want to know what their culture secrets are and like, what’s their feedback system? Or what is Apple or Facebook? Or what’s Mark Zuckerberg do? Or what a Steve Jobs do? There’s a lot of wanting to be like the geniuses or the visionaries.

What I have found is that when you mimic or copy and others playbook, you only reach what I call a local maximum.

For instance, like if I’m hiking here in Park City and I, Park City is where I’m at right now and if I look at the mountains next to me, I might mistake the mountain next to me, because it’s the tallest one I see as the global maximum, I might think it’s the tallest mountain in the world and if I think I submit that, then I’ll summit the tallest mountain in the world.

However, what happens is that that’s actually just my local maximum and I don’t realize that so while copying someone’s playbook, maybe slightly better, it’s not going to help me reach my full potential and so what I help my clients with is, how do you start to actually look for your full potential, your global maximum, a paradigm that maybe the world has never seen before, something that only you can uniquely bring to the planet. It really encourages look at first principles, and building up their own playbook versus copying someone else’s.

Allison:  OK, so I do see a lot of copying going on in just in the world today.  

Victoria:  Yes.

How to See Beyond Local Maximum

Allison: I love the concept of a local maximum, in the example that you gave. What would be some of a technique that you would employ to help someone see beyond the local maximum of they’re in?

Victoria:  Yes, I think the first thing is the moment you notice yourself, admiring what someone else is doing, inspired by something that someone else is doing. I think the first question to ask yourself is, OK, why do I think that person’s doing X? Rather than just copy them really get to the root cause of why does that make sense in their world? And it could be something as simple as OK, let’s just take a very human example, say, I learned that my friend drinks green juice every day. I could just decide I’m going to drink green juice every day or I can ask my friend like, why do you drink green juice? What do you think that’s doing for you? And really understand what’s the problem they’re solving for and then understanding their ‘why’ will allow me to say, oh, OK, well, do I care about my health? Is that actually a health concern of mine? And if it is then I can find a solution that might be more attuned to what my health concern is and so it’s just kind of like a deeper asking of like, why is that person doing what they’re doing. It allows you to not assume solutions and really get to the bottom of root cause analysis.

Allison:  Good. Thank you for that.  

Victoria:  Yes.

Emotional Intelligence

Allison:  You talk a lot about why the future belongs to the emotional intelligence and then the importance of mastering unpleasant emotions.

Victoria:  Yes.

Allison:  Tell me more.

Victoria:  This is one of my favorite questions, because I feel like it’s so under talked about in this realm and I kind of opened it when I mentioned emotional intelligence.

I believe that one of the hardest things that’s going on in the planet right now is people who have low emotional intelligence, who are making very ego driven decisions. I think that ends up hurting the world, our companies, our families, our communities.

I mean, I’m probably preaching to the choir, but I think you can understand why and ultimately, not only is it hurting the planet, but it’s actually a very sub optimal, or we’ll call it a local maximum in terms of the potential those people can reach.

The reason why is because, when we can feel unprocessed emotion, so I believe that, for many reasons I go through in the book, we’re taught at a young age to numb or avoid or distract ourselves from feeling our emotions. We’re kind of relearned at an early age that any discomfort is bad, if I’m not happy, something’s wrong. I’m not supposed to be unhappy. If I’m unhappy right now, then something bad is happening, and again, we associate discomfort with unsafety. As a result, we end up avoiding people in situations that might make us feel uncomfortable, which means that we’re born into a metaphor I use is like a castle with infinite rooms, all called the diversity of life but then, because we don’t want to feel certain emotions, we end up, crossing out certain rooms in the castle, we you don’t want to be feel this way, we don’t want upset that person, we don’t feel disappointment and then before  it, we’re in this little tiny room that we have mastery over and it’s like the room we have control and prediction over and we really limited the diversity of life of the castle to this one tiny room that we now live in.

Helping Leaders with Emotional Intelligence

I feel like a lot of people live that way and as leaders, what that can look like is needing to constantly control and predict your environment, control and predict the people, control and predict your power over others and all of that I believe is in service of them not feeling small, in service of them not feeling uncomfortable, in service of leaders not having to deal with the anxiety that comes with a lack of control.

Some of the first things that I helped my leaders do is how do you learn to be with and walk with fears, stress, anxiety, things not going the way you want them to go, conflict, upsetting people, hurting people’s feelings, like sometimes we avoid speaking our truth or having a different conversation, because we don’t know how to deal with that discomfort.

As you know, part of being a leader is doing the hard, uncomfortable thing regularly and so learning how to be with and process those uncomfortable emotions, I believe allows you to have the freedom to then not need to avoid any person or situation from happening and so in a sense, it allows you to go after those bigger, bolder dreams, take those larger risks, because you’re not in that protective zone of I just need to keep myself safe. I think, all of our dreams, all of the visions, all the things that we’re really capable of are outside our comfort zone and outside our safety zone and when we don’t know how to process and be with uncomfortable emotions, we’re often left in that safety and protection realm.

Allison:  What is the action that people need to recognize where they’re at and lean into that and be there?

Lean Into Emotion

Victoria:  Yes, so it’s very uncomfortable, but I do encourage readers and my clients to lean into the emotion. For instance, when a client comes to me and says, like, I feel like the board’s going to go with a different decision than the one that I want, I’m really upset no matter what I say that I can’t talk sense into them and they feel like they’re losing control over the situation and that decision is going to go a different way.

That anxiety and stress is often tied on the other end and this might sound like therapy, but it’s often tied to a prior moment in time where might have reminded them of being bullied or taking taken advantage of or just having a situation not go their way they want, and that can trigger some trauma from the past.

The first thing I have clients do is to actually just breathe, and to lean into that discomfort and that anxiety of like, wow, loss of control that is bringing fire in my chest, I’m feeling like I want to scream, this is so uncomfortable, I don’t even know what to do and it’s just again, that mind body connection to be able to identify and label the sensation in the body so kind of like the exercise we did where you said, you noticed your lungs felt fuller and bigger. Well, in this case, if you’re feeling fire in your chest and want to scream, it’s a totally different experience and I might have been encouraged that client to grab a pillow and scream into the pillow because I believe that we want to move this energy pattern out of our system, because what happens is when we don’t feel our uncomfortable emotions, we freeze them in the body, and they’re left unprocessed and stuck in our bodies.

One of the first things I do if you think of energy is just energy in motion is OK, well, let’s get that out of your system, are you feeling the urge to scream? Scream into a pillow, go to a boxing class, go run it out. Let yourself move that energy through breath movement or sound. Breath work is another common one for my clients. That would be one tip is just counter intuitively, imagine there’s a dial on that emotion and you’re actually putting the dial up to like a 10 and really leaning in to the center of the discomfort. In the book I say like going into the eye of the storm and like turning it up and allowing yourself to feel it wash over you. That’s the first tip.

Allison:  That’s awesome. Leaning into it, and really allowing a channel to release it and recognize it for what it is?

Victoria:  Yes. As information for you, as opposed to try and avoid it.

Allison: Right.

Victoria:  Pretend it’s not there.

Manifestation

Allison:  I have one final question before we wrap up. You touch on manifesting, the idea of manifestation and suggest that it doesn’t work. Tell us more.  

Victoria:  Yes. I think that there’s two reasons for this. One is in the spiritual realm, they call it like spiritual bypassing where it’s like, instead of looking at the hard thing, which is what we just talked about, going into the center of it, feeling the pain and discomfort, there’s this idea, like, I’m just going to sit back and be happy and meditate and think about, butterflies and by visualizing this positivity, my vision, it will just happen. I think that can be very misleading because when I don’t think that that’s how it works. That’s why I say manifestation doesn’t work but the second reason for it is because again, like if we come from this contraction, right? This fear, like I need this to happen, or else or this has to, I’m not going to be OK, if it doesn’t work out the way I want it to.

Anything that we are operating from a place of contraction on is going to actually change the odds out of our favor.

We really limit our chance of success when we’re coming from contraction and so one of the key things that I believe allows us to change the odds, or if you want to call it manifest, what you want, it’s to make sure you’re doing so from a place of expansion.

Again, from that clear, calm, relaxed, expansive, grounded place of gratitude and excitement, can you then feel into the vision. More importantly, than just feeling to the vision that you have is understanding what are the thoughts, feelings and actions that align with that vision.

I think, in this work, we’re all familiar with, OK, these are limiting beliefs. These are positive beliefs. We touched a little bit on today, like the difference between emotions that feel good in our body and uncomfortable emotions that feel like negative ones but then lastly, the action piece. I mean, I don’t know how you can make anything happen if you don’t take any action on it and the actions that we’re able to take from a place of, courage, confidence, gratitude, excitement, believing in ourselves, all of that. They look bolder, they’re bigger actions, and we’re willing to take when we’re playing small, when we’re playing not to lose, when we’re afraid of looking silly. We really want to just watch, OK, the formula for manifestation is getting my thoughts, feelings and actions aligned, then I need to just systematically go through and ask myself, what are all the thoughts that support this vision coming true? What are the emotions that support this vision coming true? And then what are the actions I can see from this thought and feeling place that I can take to align with this vision?

Allison:  Yes, that’s a great, it’s such a powerful exercise to take on. Awesome.

Victoria, I sincerely appreciate all of your suggestions and tips today and kind of the understanding of how we can all tap into kind of a better energy for what it is that we do on a daily basis and kind of dispel some of the things that I think that as a society we kind of fall into.

Victoria:  Absolutely.

Allison:  Thank you very much. I appreciate you having you here with us.

Victoria:  Thank you, so good to be here, Allison.